2014-Apr-24 06:25:10 Bahmo said: @Noek: Maybe, but that doesn't excuse her problems, and moreover, it's just one more thing you can put down to her gift, rather than any growth. Sure, Yellow might have used her brain to battle effectively, but that argument in her defense rings kind of hollow when you consider that's basically par for the course for just about every protagonist in every action scene in the manga, and usually, it's implied that their competence is the result of hard work and a sense of humility. Certainly for Crystal, Sapphire, and Platinum it was; as competent as they showed themselves. With Yellow, occasional (not universal) smart tactics just come off as one more gift.
And gifted characters can work! It's not terrible to have someone be born with abilities most people don't have, but these things are, at best, wasted when they're just used as a shortcut to do things most protagonists do already, and at worst, enraging. We have so many arcs that are just heroes saving the world from villains; the narrative sometimes tripping over itself in the continual drive to up the stakes. (Which actually ties into how I'm not really fond of the idea of Pokemon "gods" that pervades the series more and more, and wish the series had gone with the plot of the Moon Stone having caused the creation of Pokemon; which may have just been some ambiguously gay dude's questionable ancient alien theory even in the canon of the anime, but at least it goes further in explaining why humans and Pokemon are fundamentally different and Pokemon don't rule the world) You know what they should've done with Yellow? Had a cute little side story that was all about her having conversations with Pokemon. Think of the unique opportunities that could've offered! It's something you hardly ever see in this series, for all its talk of friendship, and what a relief it would be from the endless battle obsession that never lets up for anything but shallow minigames and spinoffs you get tired of even faster!
2014-Apr-23 23:47:32 Noek said: @Bahmo
Most of Yellow's victories is because of her brains using defensive like styles, and she didn't need to learn ever hear "not broke don't fix it" at the beginning she beat Oak's Spearow that he used in the league using this style she used brains more than her powers.
2014-Apr-23 23:35:55 Redsmydude said: @Bahmo
You couldnt have said that any better then you did.
I never really cared for yellow.
2014-Apr-23 14:56:05 Bahmo said: Yellow may have weaknesses; most in the form of being basically a whiny moron, but the plot basically arranges against them mattering. The fact that she's essentially an OC, named after a game that starred Ash Ketchum (who also got by more via luck and his Pokemon being the smart ones at the time) doesn't help me approve of her, but good things could have been done with the concept; however, in practice, her powers aren't used to make her more interesting, but to give her a free pass.
A Mary Sue isn't always a character who's got few weaknesses, and a character gifted with powers isn't necessarily a Mary Sue. For example, Wolverine was gifted with regeneration abilities, and that's cool in a lot of ways, but as a result, he also got Shanghaied into a skunkworks experiment, pressed into loads of unsavory combat situations, and saddled with a life that was long, but so painful he sometimes wishes he could just die. Wolverine's gift is also a curse.
Yellow's is basically an excuse. Her Pokemon are not very high level, which isn't really that hard to attain--just about every other protagonist did it to some extent--yet she can power them up to master levels. The same plot immunity pervades her whole arc one way or another. Several times, she gets out of a jam not via her own skills, but because her Ratata/Raticate acted smart on its own, and speaking of that, I wanted to reach in and smack her when the thing saved her and evolved, and she burst out crying at its new appearance. You think she might learn her lesson after that, as she does reconcile with the thing, but no; her stigma against evolving Pokemon is so unreasonable that she doesn't evolve her CATERPIE. Shit; even ASH evolved his Caterpie! That's just dumb. And how does it finally get to do what nature intended? Not because Yellow wised up and realized she needed to get out of her comfort zone to win the last battle, but because she happened to lose her Pokedex.
Yellow never learns a thing; she ends the arc essentially being the same dumbass she was at the start, having come out on top solely because of the plot warping around her. Specifically, she's a "black hole Sue"; not necessarily the most blatant variety of Mary Sue, but one of the worst.
2014-Apr-23 14:52:16 Kurisu said: Probably. Or he saw a picture of her somewhere.
2014-Apr-23 12:05:58 Pirate king reappears said: Awww ;3
2014-Apr-23 12:00:20 Pokemonspecialgerman said: Yellow a Mary Sui? She has soo many weaknesses in the second arc o.o Why would you think that? Just because she can heal and read minds?